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« on: February 25, 2005, 10:34:13 AM »

OK, theoretically I can see the point of using a resistor to limit current and damage to the LED.
But, practically, when do those limits actually come into play?
I have been performing trials with various red 3mm, 5mm, and high-flux SBLeds. I have a single 3V button battery (CR927, 30 mAh) to drive  these guys and then have another circuit with the same LED connected with the proper resisitor ( props to LED resistor calculator) to the same 3V button (and, yes, I use new batteries whose voltage is identical).
Anyway, the circuit without the resistor is obviously brighter than the one with it. In addition, I have also tested with 6V (two 3V) batteries in both situations and the one without the resistor is obviously brighter than the one with the resistor and much brighter than the 3V battery. The Vf max for the LEDs tested are all around 2.6.
Anyhow, I have not burned out any LEDs. As a matter of fact, I have re-used the same LEDs in some of these tests. So what gives - maybe if Vf exceeds 9V, I will encounter a problem with burnout or maybe it is a duration issue. If I kept this slightly larger voltage (& current) going for a longer time then would they burn out? But from a practical perspective, the batteries are burning out long before the LED.
You might think that eventually a heat issue might arise from the excess voltage & current but I have placed a plastic crystal (clear or colored) around some of the LEDs to contain the excess heat while testing and they did not burn out either.
Any thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2005, 10:45:01 AM »

Welcome to the boards, tony.

You might think that eventually a heat issue might arise from the excess voltage & current but I have placed a plastic crystal (clear or colored) around some of the LEDs to contain the excess heat while testing and they did not burn out either.
Any thoughts?

You've got it--heat is the enemy here.

When you limit current, you're limiting the power dissipated in the LED (calculated easily: V * I). In typical 5mm LEDs, the heat has only one path to follow, and that's down the electrical leads. So for example if you use a piece of copper-clad board with large areas of metal on the surface, that can help conduct some of that heat away from the junction of the LED, which is the part that gets damaged. If your LED leads are in contact with the button cells, they are heatsinking for you as well.

The reason you haven't run into a catastrophe is because you're using batteries. Batteries may say "3V" on the label, but if you measure with a meter, you'll find you're not getting 6V from the two button cells under any load (without a load, you may well measure 6V or close to it, but start drawing current and the voltage sags noticeably).

Another way to look at that situation is that the button cells have internal resistance. It's as if you have an ideal 3V voltage source in series with a resistor, but the resistance is an effect of the physical construction of the button cells. If you had a well-regulated 6V voltage supply (well-regulated means that the output voltage doesn't change much over a wide range of load currents), you'd quickly release the magic smoke from your LEDs without a limiting resistor.

So to get back to the first question:
But, practically, when do those limits actually come into play?

Every current path has some resistance. What you're looking to do is ensure there's enough resistance in the circuit to avoid damage to your LEDs. As noted above, the damage comes from heat.
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2005, 03:52:20 PM »

Rob - Thanks for the feedback.

I guess my LED application is different from most others. I want the LED to only last 10 hours at the maximum possible brightness using the smallest 3V batteries I can locate that have a reasonable mAh rating. I am not concerned with replacing the batteries.

If I do not use resistors and let the batteries be the heatsink, all I am concerned with is whether the battery life or output will be compromised by it also being the heatsink. It seems the LED does not have a problem operating like this for this period of time. I have yet to have one of them fry. Perhaps if I connected 3-4 of these CR927s without using a limiting resistor would cook the LED. But I don't believe I have to use that many batteries. Besides, there is a dimishing return in brightness by connecting more batteries.

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« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2005, 03:57:36 PM »

I guess my LED application is different from most others. I want the LED to only last 10 hours at the maximum possible brightness using the smallest 3V batteries I can locate that have a reasonable mAh rating. I am not concerned with replacing the batteries.

Under those conditions, I'd also go "resistor-free."

I have in the past damaged LEDs by overdriving them briefly--they continued to light but gave off far less light than undamaged ones. I believe I was using 12V supply and misread the resistor color code (I'm colorblind and usually double check things on an ohmmeter).  I think the risk of that is low with two 3V button cells.

What's your application? Making a costume? RC plane?
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